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Vermilion Okeanos · May 25, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Please ease our pain by telling us if something is being plan by ArenaNet dev to deal with the new emerging AFK leechers in Fort Aspendwood.

Playing just to lose and into the hand of afk leechers aren't exactly a happy thing.

1 afk 7 players, fine.
2 afk 6 players... I hope the opponents are newbs.
3 afk 5 players......... why aren't I leeching as well?

Their population is growing!?

While they are getting richer, legit players are getting more furstrated.

May 25, 2006, 07:05 AM // 07:05

when you come accross this take screenshots so you have their names and when your done spam in every district of every town you go to that they are giving something very valuable away that all anyone has to do to get it is to pm them. that should make you feel better.

salaboB · May 25, 2006, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by (JOO)Drogo Boffin

when you come accross this take screenshots so you have their names and when your done spam in every district of every town you go to that they are giving something very valuable away that all anyone has to do to get it is to pm them. that should make you feel better.

Since they're AFK, that likely won't bother them at all :P

robrobrob · May 25, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Why aren't you leeching as well, indeed! ANet has officially stated that while afk'ing in Aspenwood makes you a jerk, it is in violation of 0 rules. I'm not saying I agree with that approach, but that is their approach. So, you can accept the afk'ers as an extra challenge (winning with dead weight), afk yourself, or not bother with the missions at all.

That's pretty much what ANet says.

Just another reason to be not-so-impressed with them lately.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 25, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Post your support for ideas regarding how to improve Fort Aspenwood and The Jade Quarry in the following topic:
Fort Aspenwood / Jade Quarry: Increase Rewards, Allow acces to PvP only character

Page 4 of the topic has a discussion going on regarding the "leechers" and "AFKers" in these competitive missions.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/

I doubt many people would pay attention to what is writen in here:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

Take note the underlined and bold sentences:

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Guild Wars Rules of Conduct

The following rules govern basic interaction within the Guild Wars game and the Guild Wars websites. Please be aware that failure to comply with these rules of conduct may result in the termination of your Guild Wars game account according to the Guild Wars User Agreement.

In addition to these rules of conduct, explicit rules affecting your account may be found in the Guild Wars User Agreement.

1. While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

Questions:
1. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers", "respect the rights of others", and "respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game?
2. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers" caused "distress" to other players?

I would say these "leechers" or "AFKers" are in violation of Rule number 1.
1. They did not respect the rights of others
2. They did not respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game
3. They caused distress to other players

Kaguya · May 25, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Questions:
1. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers", "respect the rights of others", and "respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game?
2. Did these "leechers" or "AFKers" caused "distress" to other players?

I would say these "leechers" or "AFKers" are in violation of Rule number 1.
1. They did not respect the rights of others
2. They did not respect the rights of others to play and enjoy the game
3. They caused distress to other players

They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.

The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule.

"Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well.

Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules...

wolfe2dale · May 25, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.

The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule.

"Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well.

Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules...

I get "Distressed" everytime someone tries to get something for free off the back of my sweat. I will automatically leave any mission with an AFK player in team. I will ask everyone else to re-start with me, but if they don't they will just have to play without me.

No-one is getting something for nothing from me..

Silent Kitty · May 25, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by wolfe2dale

I get "Distressed" everytime someone tries to get something for free off the back of my sweat. I will automatically leave any mission with an AFK player in team. I will ask everyone else to re-start with me, but if they don't they will just have to play without me.

No-one is getting something for nothing from me..

Why making it harder on yourself to find a team? I have tried to play acording to certain principles, but sometimes you're lucky to find a team, no matter how they suck. Anet could implement a kick system, but they probably never will. Only kicking an afk player does justice to the team. Anything else is just making it more frustrating for yourself.

Vermilion Okeanos · May 25, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

I personally think a value-kicking-system would be good.

Such as...

Someone get vote kicked by all the team members.
This certain someone repeatedly got kick by many different players.
The kick count continue to increase to a certain value.
Once the value is hit, the player account is automatically sumbitted to review by GM of some kind.
The GM can make the final decision whether to ban or not.

There has got to be something wrong with this guy who got kick by thousands of different players.

Right now, I really don't care what will be done... I just want to know if they do see it as a major problem.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · May 25, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Various proposed methods regarding how to improve these competitive missions can be found here.

Ozric · May 25, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.

Well I'd disagree here. The afker knowingly joined the team with no intention to be an actual contribution to it. That's not just doing nothing, that's bad conduct.

CyberNigma · May 25, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

They are doing nothing, so they don't really violate your rights as a player, you can still play as you want, the AFKer isn't preventing you from doing so.

The "enjoy" part is bit questionable, in a sense yes, it would be that afkers and leechers are preventing one from enjoying the game.. But thenagain, you can still enjoy the game, even if someone is AFK in one's team. It is there-there if it is an actual violation, it's up to ANet how they interpret this rule.

"Distress" is questionable again, you could say people are distressed from having people spam WTS/WTB on local channels. Not everyone panics and gets eyes-flashing-red mad when they see an AFK. Again, up to ANet how they really interpret this rule as well.

Something has to be done, and if some ANet official would bother giving out the final word is AFK really-really against rules would be appreciated. According to some email-pastes from GW GM's say that they aren't violating any rules...

Actually, they are doing something. They are pressing Enter Mission, actively entering the mission with the intention (prove intent?) of doing nothing. That, in itself, is something.. :-)

Witchblade · May 25, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

let ppl afk to get fpts if they want ... there is no other way to get em easily

it's either 10 minutes of afk-leech or running with the stupid chest for 400 pts for half an hour

my choice d be easily made

anyway i got no use for fpts, i got my 15k sets already, so i dont give a damn

but if i had to get some points .. i d choose the afk method til something is done

Kakumei · May 25, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Honestly, I don't blame people for AFKing. Getting 10k Luxon faction was pure and utter torture, and I was sorely tempted to afk in Aspenwood quite a few times--there's simply no decent way of getting the faction anymore.

MSecorsky · May 25, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Honestly, I don't blame people for AFKing. Getting 10k Luxon faction was pure and utter torture, and I was sorely tempted to afk in Aspenwood quite a few times--there's simply no decent way of getting the faction anymore.

Really? I got the 10K on quests alone... there's plenty if you go find them. Of course, once you burn all the quests and the repeatable 400 faction ones bore, then it's only PvP style faction gain. Which, as a dedicated PvEr... I'm finding surprisingly entertaining.

Kakumei · May 25, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Really? I got the 10K on quests alone... there's plenty if you go find them. Of course, once you burn all the quests and the repeatable 400 faction ones bore, then it's only PvP style faction gain. Which, as a dedicated PvEr... I'm finding surprisingly entertaining.

I'm a monk. Running that box takes quite a while, scouting through all of those goddamn Naga takes AGES (am I the only one who has problems with those Naga?). I just can't stand the Jade Sea as a whole, but completionist as I am, I stuck through it.

I can't do alliance battles for my faction, being that I belong to a Kurzick alliance.

CyberNigma · May 25, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

let ppl afk to get fpts if they want ... there is no other way to get em easily

it's either 10 minutes of afk-leech or running with the stupid chest for 400 pts for half an hour

my choice d be easily made

anyway i got no use for fpts, i got my 15k sets already, so i dont give a damn

but if i had to get some points .. i d choose the afk method til something is done

Actually, you forgot a method. It is just those two methods. The third method would be 10 minutes of faction fighting instead of leeching. It'll improve your odds of getting faction and you'll actually be more than just a human bot.

Witchblade · May 25, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

cmon the 600 reward for winning is silly

CyberNigma · May 25, 2006, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

cmon the 600 reward for winning is silly

It's silly whether you fight or afk-leech. The only difference is whether you want to play Guild Wars or not. afk-leeching doesn't make it any less silly. Otherwise, why even keep playing the game. All of the items you get as a result of faction are just virtual anyways. If you really want to, you could get all those items from ebay or IGE anyways. I don't partake of those, but I'm pretty sure you could without being caught. It's no less ethical (if that even matters) than ignoring teammates in that team-oriented mission. I got all the faction I needed just doing the quests on the appropriate side. 10k prior to Gyala, 10k after, for example. That's per character when I did it.

Witchblade · May 25, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

it's weird, when u gotta gain Factions Points, the "gotta do yer teamwork part with us" speech comes along ..
BUT, when u need a hand capping elites and completing a mission .. all u got as an answer is stfu noob, need monk only/we help if u pay 100k

i m really amused